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rob,i answered your letter before knowing we are neighbors. i do agree that the scene here in berlin is developping to this direction. i have to admit that 6 months ago, i wasn't as electron hip as i am today, there is something, maybe goining on here... " i was using a jamman to loop drumset and percussion a couple of years ago. the concept is good but you've always have to deal with bleed-through from other instruments & monitors etc. this often leads to a very lo-fi sound - this can be interesting sometimes but it's probably not what you always want to have. if yuh can git an echoplex - go fer it! i'm now using an mpc2000 with my entire drum set sampled on it - i'm trying to get something together combining that with my live playing AND the jamman (controlled by the mpc) - gear mania needless to say ... " hey man!! you actually are you working with the mpc2000 live as a looper drummer ! so you probably loop live with the jamboy and have the half of the groove played from the mpc that has your set sapled or not? i though you can't do anything with the mpc2000 live. i mean it's a production tool. i was actually thinking of using it for my progject for trough-mixer-band-sampling, and for my musical arrangment. " - leave the looping to the guitarists :-( " so you don't loop or ... " BTW: a great example of live drum looping can be found on the new bobby previte album PONGA (w/ wayne horvitz, dave palmer, + skerik) - listen to the end of track 5 ("awesome wells") where the whole band gets looped and processed (by skerik?) in full muddy glory. " aha!! so someone else already took my patent my idea of trough-mixer-band-sampling, just kidding... i actuall started thinking about band sampling partly hearing the king tubby dub work. am0oa;9) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com