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The roman empire ended, we changed about every rule... ** i think that it's interesting that so much of what the romans came up with still stands with us today. i'm sure a lot of you have seen that thing about how the space shuttle had to be a certain size to fit on railroad lines that are scaled because of roman chariot tracks. so much of what happened back at the end of that empire is still with us: the whole balkans situtation is very much linked to all the idiocay that went on between different parts of the roman empire; much the same could be said about the middle east, i'd wager. The europeans decided to count 24 hours, and they use 0 rather than 24. ** isn't this based on military time imposed at the end of ww2? Although in another post someone cited an old idea that with the inclusion of zero, the decline started, it might simply be progress (and the fear of it...) ? ** i just mentioned it because i thought it was funny and worth throwing into the whole millenia craze . . . stig