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Mmm, He's right you know, as far as I know you should ALWAYS copy audio CD's at single speed, the spoddy reason for this is that CD audio is unsynchronised data. Data cd's on the other hand have checksums which the drive uses to tell whether it read the data correctly or not, so with data it keeps reading that part of the disk until it gets it right, and then it writes it to the target, but with audio it'll just read it, & then write whatever it thought it just read introducing errors, especially if you multiply the speed up. Here's a suggestion……Why don't you make a digital image, ie a datafile, of your CD with one of these CD creation programs & keep that as your master, then you can burn 1st Gen copies from here to eternity….. Banco Santander Central Hispano S.A. James McMorrough Systems Analyst/Developer Tel: (+44) 171 332 7475 E-mail: jmcmorrough.londres@sinvest.es -----Original Message----- From: Kriist [mailto:Kriist@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 7:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: Kriist Subject: digital errors? after copying some of my improv stuff(looping)to cds ive noticed some peculiar stuff i only own copies of copies of my originals(the originals were on my HD but i erased them after i burned them)and the original copies i gave away to friends now i know in analog recording you hvae generation loss, and it can be substancial but ive noticed alot of digital errors now in the recordings, little clicks or skips, some are really noticable whats going on here?is it a problem of imperfect media(cdr's)or is something lost everytime?! a friend of mine told me once(i hardly listen to him)programs like WinDAC not being the best for copying digital audio that they go to fast(hence digital erros)?? and on another list somebody was talking about how his cd masters do not sound like the cd copies(in timbre) can that be possible if all thats being transfered is 1s and 0s? thanks rodrigo