Agree Travis! That the keyboard itself could be built with incorporated features, beyond aftertouch and velocity techniques. The wiggling from side to side is a perfect example, as I always found mod wheel vibrato boring ( I think that Yamaha had it on their organ YC45 and CS-80 cult synth flagship). A ribbon controller or wiggling keys produces a vibrato that follows your fingers, just as a guitar. But the thing is, it's still 12 tone, temperament scale. And they try to put in breath controllers or whatever. I want a guitar controller that changes tone according to where you pick on the string. A guitar synth player still sounds like a very medium talented keyboardist...but the opposite way is too easy (i e Jan Hammer style a o). /mats -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 5:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: [Keyboard controllers] was Re: Guitar synth..take it (or leave it ) for what it is A standard on/off organ-style keyboard controller, yes. But the addition of aftertouch along with all the mod wheels/pads/pedals adds an enviable number of controls. And there used to be this wonderful keyboard that would also let you wiggle each key from side to side and map that to what ever you wanted, giving you two aftertouch inputs on each independent held note. I wish manufacturers had embraced that wonderful idea. TH > Given the vast sonic possibilities of the synth today, > a keyboard seems the least expressive controller. It is just the > easiest to build, technically. Keyboardist could never before BEND PITCH. > Guitarists could.