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the angry old men has spoken ;-) Rich schrieb: > What is it with this list lately, where one of you will put up some >obscure > quote, or statement...just to make a point, and it opens up a can of >worms > where you all try to out-intellectualize each other? > > Reading email that is interesting to me, and pertinent to the music form >i > like to engage in TAKES UP ENOUGH OF MY TIME ALREADY... > > Your narrow minded rants are geting boring. Imagine if i tore someone a > new asshole, just because they used a Headrush to get the job done, and >me, > i used an EDP. And then a few other people chimed in, telling just how > OBVIOUS it was that the Jam Man was the supreme deal. My DL4 can beat up > your RDS... > > It's the same thing your doing...just with your politics, your >philosophy, > your favorite authors, your opinions... > > shut up and get the job done. > > rich > > At 11:56 PM 3/20/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > > > >SketchyJoe@aol.com schrieb: > > > >> Discipline is a function of order. If a being functions and works >within a > >> set of rules without a second party enforcing these rules, that being >is > >> excersizing discipline. Bliss (or happiness) emerges from working > within the > >> rules to the point at which the rules are forgotten. > > > >This philosophy is deep middle age ... sorry, get up to date. Try Erik >H. > >Erikson or Lawrence Kohlberg to learn the new (education) theory. > > > >> > >> > >> I was thinking about this as I was driving home from my day job (grade > school > >> music teacher). Children work best under rules. > > > >??? > > > >> This gives them a structure > >> in which to be a well-behaved member of society. > > > >"a well behaved member of society?" ... or a conform, uncritical member >of a > >nearly fascist community? ... wake up, we are living in the year 2000, > 1960 is > >over! > > > >> When this structure is not > >> apparent or if the rules they are taught come in conflict with other > thought > >> patterns, they act out. > > > >It's not true ... I work with children/kids, too and I teach (better say > >animate) them, to set their own rules ... people have to learn, to get >more > >responsable for their acting, not to obey fix, given rules. > >Help your kids ... teach them to think free. > > > >> In the same way, we react against patterns that come > >> in conflict with our own models for existence. It's like trying to > >> understand 13/8 when all you've heard is 6/8 or 4/4. > > > >Sorry, this is bullshit ... music is deep inside humans and it's one or > theirs > >ground-abilitys. > > > >> Or trying to listen to > >> something like Schoenberg when your concept of "classical" music is as > >> contemporary as Beethoven. I personally try to teach that the > exploration of > >> these boundries reveals that they are only temporary at best and that >they > >> all are stepping stones to more abstract concepts that are still part >of > the > >> same whole. > > > >:( > > > >> Machines are the only truly disciplined beings: Work to your > >> computational limit (and that's why I torture machines without pity). > > > >Torture machines? ...torturing yourself would be better, the > >machines/instruments just helps you, to explain your feelings. > > > >> As you > >> may guess, I'm not a very fun teacher. > > > >That I'll belive for shure!!! ... my kids love me, not because i'm weak >or to > >soft, but I try to understand them. > >And don't forget ... childrens are humans, too ... just in case you >forgot. > > > >Not later, now -, your thinkings made me furious. > >jesús > > > >> > >> > >> Later! > >> Joe > > > >
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