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I'm very happy to here that many of us here were exposed to the outer edges of art at an early age. The Cubist statement, made me laugh as I just exposed some 10 year old kids to Surrealism today. I will say that as a music teacher that attempts to open my kids' minds, the process is not as easy as one would assume. First, I still feel a pressure from my colleagues and from parents to teach more tradition subject material. Secondly, sometimes the kids are not always willing to experience an art that is "outside the box". Still, I continue : I have a couple classes finishing up Acid pieces containing their own self-made loops (just to be sort of on topic). Regardless, I think that we do have a responsibility on some small level to expose the youth to different modes of thinking that may fly in the face of what MTV tells them to think. Plus I think that beating the standard notation system (as one example of traditional thought) into the minds of kids who don't even play instruments is foolish (my opinion). It's helpful, but definitely not the most important lesson these kids can learn. I would ask that some musicians here volunteer some time to local schools to demonstrate the possibilites. Or for the looping parents here, make sure that art and music teachers show as many facets of art as possible. Otherwise, music class becomes a sort of a break for kids and their teachers (ultimately degrading music's value), which is far more damaging than any anti-establishment message tha I may preach. Sorry for the rant. Just how I feel. Later! Joe