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O H M Y G O D! Is it that people can't take critisism or that the wording of my initial was a tad crass (which offended everyones sensitive musicians ears)? The band I used to play with recieved pages and pages of critisism both constructive and ferociously personal (my favorite was from one review in the NME, which stated that "...the Cranes sound like a baby locked in a toolbox"!!!) I know It can hurt, but you learn to live with it and whats more you can start to analyse what you do from a different perspective. You don't get anything by from fan-mail, other that a oversized ego. Would liberal usage of the acronym IMHO, have protected my burning ass? Look here, I apologise right here and now for using the word "crap". As an englishman, we don't consider that word to be too strong, maybe the differences between American and English are highlighted here. Or maybe I was just having a bad day! But there have been some interesting issues popping up amongst the flames but Im afraid that I agree with... > > the rebuttals to Mark's flame have taken up more bandwidth than the >original flame itself - to say nothing of >personal bandwidth used in >even contemplating such uninformed and uncontrolled foolishness. ...and > When some says our loops are shite... we're ON TOPIC. I thought I was on topic, and was expecting discussion to follow ABOUT THE MUSIC on the radio site... >This warrants further discussion. quite! >I wanna know what criterea people are judging with. Very good point! Maybe my biggest mistake was not critisising the music at all, but not being detailed/specific enough in my critisism. I was not intending on giving a complete review of each and every track myself, but to start a discussion between list members on their music. >I'm also interested in possibly hearing examples of Mark's techniques... I can do that! (I'll probably regret this but hey... fire away!!!) Ive put some mp3s on a webpage at http://www.8day.com/redweb/ for this very purpose, One small comment, as stated on the page I have been working for a while on a very big project that does have some segments that I could put at this URL, however I havent had time or the inclination to do this as this project is not even close to completion. What is there, however, is a series of songs I did under the name "eardrum" (there has been a different band with the same name pop up in the last 2 years...thats NOT me) but they are a few years old now... techniques involved, well most of it is looped/sampled from scratch, not much record sampling going on, a bit tho, its recorded direct to a minidisc, with some live guitar/bass/synth playing on top as it went to tape, sound quality is variable, Im happy with it, but could probably do with some proffesional mastering/eqing/compressing, I dont have much of a home studio, but when things appear dirty and or distorted, that is probably intentional, I like my "electronic" music to still have a "live" or gritty ...er dare I say "Rock and Roll" quality to it? and... NAH! wait a minute, Im getting all nervous now, and hence making excuses, go ahead...listen and critisize away to your hearts content, I can take it ...I think!!! humbly yours Mark Red .......mogul.com°................................................... mogul.com > mark francombe red - multimedia designer drammensveien 134 NO-0277 oslo norway tel +47 - 24 11 43 00 direct tel +47 - 24 11 45 15 mobil +47 - 98 66 14 56 mark.francombe@mogul.com ...........................................................................