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Amen to that rant! Why go to a show that amounts to listening to a CD? I do all of my looping via MIDI, and use KeyKit and BuildingBlocks. KeyKit even has a module that simulates echoplex behavior (echoplex.k) with the MIDI data stream. They're at http://www.nosuch.com/tjt/index.html and http://www.midiworld.com/AuReality/ I prefer to loop in MIDI because I feel I have more performance-oriented control over the data stream. Especially because anything (note, controller, etc) can be used to control anything else (samples, filter sweep, more MIDI data). That means I'm not tied to the laptop. Now if SOMEBODY will just tell me where I can get a wireless MIDI setup?! Anyway, performance-wise I tend to favor BuildingBlocks (a nerd kid who had Capsela). But KeyKit is infinitely customizable, with an Awk-like programming language. There's a trade-off of flexibility and learning curve between the two. Hope this helps. Glad to hear that someone else is interested. Tim http://www.quiltedfish.com