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>most of the real musicians on this group are old hippies anyway . . . >check >the archives damn...caught. ima cutting my hair as soon as i get home. after i stop by the hippest store in town and gettin me some of dem baggy pants. actually, i feel kinda caught in the middle. i got into music as a punk rocker (1980ish), and took shit from the 'old hippies'. Now as i'm the aging one, the belligerent youngsters are stealing the thunder, whatever 'scene' they're into. I guess it's cool that they can die their hair green, wear extravagent clothes and tongue piercings and not have to worry about getting the holy crap beat out of them by walking down a street minding their own business. Some of us old fogies actually went through that. What this has to do with looping, ya got me. Saw 'Hi Fidelity' this last weekend. Enjoyed the two punk rock kids that John Cusack tries to pidgeonhole their music tastes based on their looks, and they totally do a 180 on him. Seems like a nice side effect of this music/technology/genre splitting/fashion explosion that we're having is that you REALLY can't judge the book by it's cover anymore... rich