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Hi Elby, How much are they asking? I'd find one in the $180 - $225 range and just buy and try... you can ALWAYS resell it on Harmony Central for ~ the same amount. I've owned 3 of 'em and find that while there's a certain amount of distrust in your ability to get back to sounds you like, it's only your own fault if you don't store them. Bypassed they DO seem to change the frequency response of your amp, so if you don't put it on a mixer or loop selector, you may find it a problem. Despite my use of other really nice dsp's, I find myself missing the Vortex quite frequently. I'll probably have one around again soon... Best, -Miko >>> mtman@cloud9.net 11/17/00 02:54AM >>> Hmmmm .... not very encouraging. Yes, I'm in the "found one (on the internet) and deciding to buy" category. And it's not possible to go try it out. Here on the East coast they seem to be much more of a rarity (along with used/trade/rent music stories and pawn shops - at least where I live. Damn!) Anyone else with an opinion? (and perhaps some sound samples? <g>) Thanks very much for your opinion, Rich :) Elby All in jest...and there will definitely be some who disagree, but IMHO, it makes the same sound as beating your head against the wall. That's the only sound i heard...because i kept beating my head against the wall trying to make the damn thing work!!! Seriously, some folks say it does magical things, and it does sound like nothing else sometimes. I just found it incredibly frustrating trying to fine tune or create my own patches. You just keep turning the dials until ya hit something, and then go "....oh, ok, i guess that's how feedback #1 set at 32 on 'Cycloid' sounds...", or something like that. Good luck trying to 'recreate' a sound if you didn't save the patch. Have you found one and are deciding on whether to buy or not, or are you just curious and want to hear one? Where are you located? In Southern California, they are quite common...they pop up in the Recycler often and the used/trade/rent music stores or pawn shops often have one or two that they've been sitting on for a couple of years. If you're ok with the UI, you're set... rich