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Are you using it with a stringed instrument, like a guitar? It isn't really all that spectacular on a straight guitar sound, though you can get some nice effects, if you use it on a loop, especially if the looped sound is heavily processed. In my stick rig, I have mine set up after my my echoplex. bIz -----Original Message----- From: PaulPokr@aol.com [SMTP:PaulPokr@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 7:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex Man, I have to say the Vortex is an anomalous beast. I found a couple of great sounds from the pre's but I have yet to hear a lot of differentiation from the presets (maybe it's broke!). I bought it on eBay and it mostly just sits in my rack. Unconnected. I have to try it out again one of these days. Any Vortex experts out there that can provide suggestions as to using the Vortex? Regards, Paul (the Butch Band)