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hey, thanks for replying. one feature that seems important to me is real time manipulation/modulation of the tempo of the loop. in "delay pedal" terms this would be like manipulating delay time. in "midi" terms this would be like manipulating the pitch of a loop (or time stretch, if you sampler is new-fangled). what i want to do is record loops on stage and then slow them down and/or speed them up. if the echoplex cannot do this are there other units that can? the jamman? the "jamman" inside of the lexicon rackmount thing? the boomerang? eventide? anything? thanks, lou _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com