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I suppose I wasn't clear. In reversing the patching, reverse all of it, putting the RM behind the delay. Dry signal as carrier, delay as modulated. I guess that really only gets you a modulated delay signal, but it is modulated by its former self, hence helping to rule the universe, which was the stated objective. SoundFNR@aol. com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 12/12/00 Subject: Re: Loops & Feedback 12:00 PM Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht > Why not reverse your patching? Let the original signal be the carrier and > the delay signal be the one modulated. Add some dry direct signal to the > output. I wish I had a RM to try this with... This wouldn't work either though ............Think about it. Andy Butler <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm">Lexicon Vortex Database </A>