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Travis wrote: I don't know how cognizant the typical listener was that I was looping, unless they were watching really closely, but the performances went okay. One thing I've tried to do. Rick Walker replied: For what it is worth, rather than trying to hide my looping process, I have started, in recent concerts, to actually take a second out and call attention to the technology that I am using and give a quick demonstration of it. I have found that audiences are really interested in the process. I had always been afraid that they might think it was 'cheating' and was suprised the first time I got a favorable reaction. I now try never to take for granted what the audience knows about what I am doing. Another thing that I have incorporated into my performances is carrying along a large bag of blue bottles and a bag of those fisher price toy apples that have chimes in them (I've been collecting them for several years at the flea market: top price $2/apiece);handing them out and then getting an audience member to come up and 'conduct' the audience. By waving there hands up and down (volume) and side to side (creating a wave like at football games) I enjoin the audience to help me create acoustic loops or ambiances that I record with two condenser mics (without monitoring) and incorporate into the piece. I've also sampled the crowds making 'sssssssssss' sounds and 'shhhhhhhhhhh' sounds which I loop (with the volume off) and later bring into a rhythmic industrial spring piece that I do. I can then bring up the volume, mute it suddenly or mute on and off or radical change the e.q. of the noise source with e.q. kill (performed manually on my bass, mid and treble buttons on my mackie mixer). I've also taught my audiences how to create simple overtone singing by going very slowly from the 'ER' sound to the 'EEE' sound at one pitch (about five harmonics in between those two sounds) and, again, gotten an audience member to conduct them while I do a looping piece based on overtone singing. When a whole crowd does this (the far left is 'ERRR', the far right is 'EEEE') you can really distinctly hear the overtones created even though each individual person is not yet able to make the sounds real distinctly. It creates a beautiful and eery effect. I've found that audiences love to participate and that they can frequently do many more sophisticated things if you challenge them than one would ever think possible. Ever since I saw Peter Gabriel ask an audience to put there hands in the air during his song "Lay your Hands On Me" and then proceed to walk out over the audience (ON TOP OF THEIR OUTSTRETCHED HANDS) while he continued singing, I have vowed to ask things of my audience. It really pays off in the intimacy that is created between audience and performer. And I perform really abstact shows at times, music that would normally be considered to 'challenging' for a normal audience. I've even done this at First Night performances where there is a range from little kids to grandparents. I had this one woman come up to me and say, "I am 80 years old and I thought you were crazy when you first started your show. Now, I think it's the most beautiful thing I've heard in many years". I nearly started crying when she told me that. later, Rick Walker (Loop.pooL)