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I sometimes will use my Korg Kaoss Pad, not just for the effects, but for the short (5-6 second sampling) loop. It's clumsy, it's about as granular as a rock (not sand) garden, but it works. Now I see this as part of the NAMM coverage: http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM01/Content/Korg/PR/KM2.html "Sampling on the KM-2 has been enhanced [from the original Kaoss], with an expanded 23 seconds of sampling time at a 44.1 kHz/16-bit sampling rate. Samples can be taken from the mic/phono or line inputs and the user can even sample through the KAOSS Pad's effects, including any realtime movements. There are four dedicated sampling buttons so samples can be triggered independently from the pad's effects. When the samples are assigned to the pad the user has control over scratching, re-looping, pitch-changing and a host of radical performance possibilities." Cool. Sampling length of the Akai Headrush with a ton of effects. Obviously more of a performance-oriented sampler than a true looper. -- onNow: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Burnett Admin, webslingerZ sburnett@webslingerz.com http://www.webslingerz.com/sburnett