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I have to say, that there are times that I find it irritating that the loops fade with each successive loop layer in the Line 6 which, otherwise is a perfect and fantastic pedal. Ironically, if the Boss let there be fading layers (with it's really long looping time) and the Line 6 had non-fading layers, it would be the best of all possible worlds for me and I'd probably save up and buy two of each. I've always been a short looper (because I play so many acoustic/electric melodic and rhythmic instruments----none of them well with the exception of the percussion side of things) until I saw Steve Lawson play the other night...............WOW!!!!!!!! I loved what he did with very long loops that he then memorized and played over. At the after show party, I was gratified to hear him say that he was into the same conception of looping rhythm that I have been getting in to. He said (I probably paraphrase badly) that he thinks of a long loop (or a short one for that matter) as a terrain, that has peaks and valleys and different distances between those sonic and rhythmic events. He then 'learns' the terrain, sometimes listening to a loop over and over in the background until he can accurately predict when an even in the loop is going to occur. There is nothing wrong with metromic phrasing but many of the world's master musicians know time so well that they can stretch it (even playing over a quantized sequence) to include great expression in their playing. Most of the world's ethnic traditions have 'moles' (moe- lay) or templates where the three or four metric units are not exactly even (like a perfectly quantized 16th note or triplet 8th note). Learning how to play over these feels and comform to them without trying to be metronomic has really helped me when I have backed master musicians from other cultures (primarily in the studio and at the Festival D'Ete in Quebec City every summer). It would be cool to start a little thread on how we concieve of time in our looping efforts. I tell all of my students that a digital looper is the best thing you could ever do for your mastery of timing in rhythmic playing. Who can stand a lumpy or glitchy loop unless it is intentional? Steve Lawson has GREAT mastery of this concept. I highly recommend that you all go to his web site www.Steve-Lawson.co.uk to check out his new CD. later, Rick Walker (loop.pool)