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About other animals making music... Pink Floyd made this song on their Double Album entitled Ummagumma (check the spelling on that) and Roger Waters put this song together called Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict give it a listen and that will answer any question ryan -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker (Loop.pooL) [SMTP:GLOBAL@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 5:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: animal intentions and random 'looping' in nature Matthias wrote: Do animals have intentions? I think so. But I would not consider their noises music, would you? Or is it that just some species have the ability? Rick Walker replies: Interestingly enough, I have just read an article in the science section of the San Jose Mercury (which is actually a pretty informative lay science resource) where some modern biologists and zooologists (jeez: are there three 'o's in zoologist?) are beginning to think that there are actually several species of animals who they think are actually making 'music' as opposed to direct communication. I threw the article out but they mentioned whales and dolphins and some species of birds. and to bring back to topic (looping that is), Several years ago during the summer cricket season I was on my porch late at night, just thinking, and listening to the 'song' of the crickets. I love when random events sometimes sound like funky syncopated patterns (like listening to a sample and hold function on an analogue synthesizer, something I used to do to get inspiration for funk patterns). Anyway, the crickets were really going at it and in a seemingly random way. All of a sudden they coalesced into this really funky sequence which then fell apart after about five seconds or so. It caught my attention because I had not really been listening to it. Anyway, I went back to musing again and a couple of minutes later I heard the same damn syncopate sequence, 'note' for 'note'. At this point I started listening intently and sure enough, the same sequence occurred a couple of minutes later. At this point I started listening for other rhythmic sequences and began to notice them. Sure enough I started hearing an emerging pattern that was repeating perfectly every 2 minutes or so. At this point using the random '16th notes' of the first pattern I tried to see if I could figure out the periodicity of the pattern. It took me about half an hour but I finally figured out that the crickets were in a perfectly predictable and very, very slow 19/4 time signature. I was so blown away by this randomness that I sat out there for two more hours until I had completely memorized the sequence of perfectly repeating multiple cricket clicks. I was astonished and I have never incountered anything similar in the ensuing years. The only other experience that I have had is that (and this repeats every summer at about the same time) there is a large and long shrub tree in the front of my brothers' home. Every summer two sets of crickets live on different sides of the shrub (which is about 15 feet long) Each group chirps in unison but the speed of the chirp is just slightly off. What happens is that when you stand in the very middle of the shrub, you hear the two repeating chirp patterns cycle away from each other and cycle back (as in two loops with slightly random speeds) the amazing thing is that when the two patterns overlap, psycho acoustically it sounds like the crickets are right in front of your face in dry 'mono'. As they start to go out of phase, it suddenly sounds like a beautiful ambient reverb has been applied to the chirping until finally you start to hear the two sides as separate chirps. Then you can hear then pass the equidistant point (perfect 8ths notes for 5 or 6 repitions and then move to the percieved 'shuffled' beat at 67%, then the last 16th note at 75% and finally into flamming and then tight flamming before they sync up again. It is a beautiful and peaceful phenomenon that I look forward to every year. Loops out of sync. I dont' have an ounce of anthropomorphism in me (it having been beaten out of me by my skeptical, cartesian logic medical doctor father) so i don't think any of these things were intentional. They weren't making music but they sure as hell were looping. I just am in love with how the random becomes rhythmical to our perceptions. I personally love to set up to loops that are at randomly different speeds and let them interact. A fun trick is to set the Windows Media Player (or Mac equivalent) on repeat mode and open up several different drum or transient sounds at once and let them cycle in and out with each other.