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Lance says, <calling *good* a relative term does not imply that *good* doesn't <exist. yet shades of grey exist, are not imaginary...one can still have <black and white (or many blacks and whites) with grey. eventually a <black or white (or good or bad) becomes a grey (or indifferent), but <perhaps at a different point for you than for me. we don't need to have <an absolute "black" for us to agree something is black (very likely it <is not, has some contamination of its opposite within...). this does <not seem silly. it seems like a pretty good description of the world The shade, *Gray* is not imaginary, but we should not forget that it is totally dependent on black and white for it’s existence. Black and white do not need gray. Gray IS black and white. People take, almost religious, pleasure in pointing out that the three hues are on an equal standing. They aren’t. This rallying cry, *Don’t see things only in black and white* has been mouthed for so long- - people begin to believe that only gray exists. Gray- in itself- doesn’t exist at all! Lance is making good arguments- I use him as an example. Re-read what he says above. It is clear that he has begun to see Gray/Black/White as three equal, and distinct entities. He looks, for instance, for the gray in black—the black in white. This is relativity in action. It might be true that black only exists in relation [absence of] to black. But gray does not exist on it’s own. I notice this more and more; people honing their ability to discern subtler and subtler shades of gray- until they begin to believe that the world is made up mostly of grays, and very little black or white; when in fact, they are always surrounded by blacks and whites that they can no longer see. They’ve switched over to a belief-system that tells them that the three component of the universe are: Black, White and Gray. This frees the person from having to make any decision about the blackness or whiteness of anything, and he can never be in error. I’m arguing on, on behalf of a world where we see that black and white is everywhere- and we set out to measure the proportions. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.