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I think its obvious the intention is on both sides of the equation, say you record a loop and then manipulate it, slow it down, reverse it, speed it up, run it thru various filters, are you composing this or responding to it? do you know exactly what it is going to sound like after the manipulation or is it a good part experimentation, sure you have educated reasoning(sometimes) but you are also responding, hey that sounds cool or ouch that didn't work. how often have you been practising, learning a new technique, doing finger exercises, learning new chords, whatever and it leads you into a compositional experience? what is and isn't music is semantics, what is and isn't good changes from person to person and is situational as well, I have a friend who plays speedmetal, I hate it, he finds it carthartic. I was riding in the car w/ my daughter the other day and she was playing a CD that was all beat and little else, started to drive me nuts after a while and I commented that I thought it was simplistic almost moronic, she responded yeah but its fun to dance to and I could see that(I still pulled the CD, sorry hon but we're not dancing right now!) if we had been in a dance club it would have worked and that was probably what she was mentally experiencing music is sound, perhaps arranged sound, I think there are very few things that all people would agree are good or bad, what resonates for me is prob somewhat similar to what resonates for most of you but I can't discount what resonates for others, I can lament the music in the popular culture but I lament alot of things in the popular culture. I think we respond to sound/music and I think that response is important, I think it differs from person to person for many reasons, its all music, granted some was created with much more effort/experience than others, as a musician I take joy in the creative experience but I think its just as much the response(mine or others) that makes it music, good or bad peace ya'll t