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There is obviously a difference between "playing live" into a looper and miming to a backing track, not sure if the audience really cares though. For years now rappers have done there stuff over backing tracks, its kinda THE POINT I guess. In my old band Cranes we had a rule which was if we physically could NOT do it live (due to it being a "special sound" or just not having enough musicians) then we would put it on tape, and if we could play it live we would! That way looping is safe ground cos looping is not just "a method of cheating", its a sound thing really. I must admit that once we blew it by recording somthing in the studio called "Paris and Rome" where the marimba part was on tape throughout the song and the song cut out in the middle to just the marimba and a clarinet (which none of us could play) and we though it would be OK to leave it on tape. First gig on the tour we realise that we, the whole band were stood there like lemons for ...oh a good minute and a half!!! So we changed it and had drums and a few little ambient wibbles over the top! But lets not get too muso about this, as someone else said its about a "Show" and as long as the "show" is good to watch, I don't really care if its a guy sat behind a laptop! Mark Francombe Red mark.francombe@mogul.com http://www.8day.com/redweb/ ICQ: 4531031 (Please dont send .exe files (zip them 1st) my mail server bites them chews them up and sends me a rude message!)