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or... plug yer favorite old amp's speaker output into the Groove Tubes SEII then to all yer favorite toys then to the console. I don't know how well this baby works but I know you can get em. I use and love an Allan Holdsworth Harness which is similar to the GT SEII .... These allows you to use vintage tube amps direct through signal processors/ loopers to capture your favorite tube amps tone in the beginning of your chain...... or.... anyone? -cheers TS http://www.groovetubes.com got to studio gear under SEII >>> manx172@hotmail.com 02/08 10:39 AM >>> >So: >I recommend to basically work flat and use colored guitar amps only >for certain sounds, maybe one or two layers in the loop. For the >others you will find nice new colors going directly from some effect >pedal to the PA and stuff. >And you end up liking sounds that dont remind master XY whom you >like, but whose CDs the others have at home, too! I play with a guy who also cherrishes the sound of a good old fashioned amp.(rightly so!) With our set-up, we tried to accomadate him, but because of space issues, he ended up drownding everyone else out, and he couldnt get the looper/amp combo to sound right. We found a peice of gear called the "ampulator". It doesnt sound "just like an amp" But its damn close for the purpose of using a looper with a guitar, in a live room. Nice rich tones, and less mess(noise,hiss)than using an amp. Might be worth a shot! Pete. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com