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Since there has been some buzz on the list about filters and ring mods for guitar stuff lately, thought I would chime in with a suggestion... If you haven't already, you should check out the MoogerFooger line of stomp boxes from Bob Moog's Big Briar company. Man, I tried out one of his MF-101 Low Pass Filters on a bass and it was "phat," I really liked it. There are some sound clips of both the MF-101 and the MF-102 Ring Modulator on their website at: http://www.bigbriar.com and I really suggest that anyone interested in seriously tweaked out sounds check'em out. They're a bit pricey for stomp boxes but they seem to be worth it. This is in no way a slam on the FilterFactory, which I think is a great unit, simply listing some options for interested folk. -skully _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com