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  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 9:54 
  PM Subject: Re: audience for 'out' music = 
  derivitative of jazz My 2 cents.
 
 It all comes from the inside 
  out.
 
 There are no walls.
 
 Go for it.
 
 Now, back to writing 
  my surf music piece.
 
 M..
 
 At 04:29 PM 2/20/01 -0800, you wrote:
 >>>>
 
 <<<<want to get my 2cents in regarding this lovely 
    topic:
 
 
 I think a lot of kids come to "creative" music via Sonic 
    Youth & out-rockers, at least my circle did. Being the only band on a 
    major label in the early 90's that sounded absolutely like nothing else on 
    the radio (and being label-mates w/Nirvana)--made them the most accesible 
    link to the 'underground' & outsider music. Though this may not be the 
    most academic/noble path, I think it is just as valid. Acessability. Both of 
    the music and the history...What w/the web and all...publications like AMG, 
    Noise From the Underground make it a lot easier if you're looking. 
    It's easy to assume that the younger crowd (my age, 25 and younger?) isn't 
    versed in the origins, etc...but not necessarily true. . And I'm not sure 
    how much that matters in experiencing the music.
 
 
 This 
    acessability has yielded larger audiences I think. When I lived in LA area 
    it seemed like every show featuring Nels had an larger and larger group of 
    spectators...(he's a hero to kids like me)though, I think he is known 'cause 
    of his work w/T. Moore and Geraldine Fibbers (not to say he is undeserving 
    of the attention). Here in Seattle, the annual Improv Festival has a few 
    shows that sell out. Zorn fills huge formal concert halls when he comes 
    through town. There is a growing acceptance. And we see the influence of 
    100+ years of non-traditional, challenging music everywhere...in a 
    "post-rock", post-Beck/Sonic Youth world, a lot of kids may take for granted 
    the ability to make what ever kind of music/sounds/noise they want and 
    actually find an audience. A lot may not know the history and pump out 
    undisciplined or cliche stuff, but I am thankful we all have that 
    opportunity.
 
 
 And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of 
    jazz'. If you've never heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? 
    And besides, we can thank Cage, (thanks for mentioning him earlier) and 
    countless others, for freeing up the palet of sound. He himself didn't seem 
    to have much respect for free jazz. I see at least three lineages--One of 
    Jazz, one of 'New Music' & avant-garde composition (i.e. serious/formal 
    musics), one of rock/pop. Rock can be argued I guess.
 
 
 So, but 
    anyway, my point is, we can make what ever audible phenomenon we want, using 
    whatever we can find, w/o any knowledge of why we can, or what came before 
    that it may bear resemblance to AND captivate an audience and maybe even 
    sell records! I think it's important to keep faith in those younger than us 
    (however old you are) for they are the heirs of this old New Free Music and 
    the future of creative sound formation.
 
 
 thanks for this thread 
    & for whatever music you all make out there 
    :)
 
 
 
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