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i think that it may have been chleduc@total.net who wrote: >And there was the question 'is it all derivitive of jazz'. If you've never >heard Ornette or Coltrane, how can it influence you? well, uhhh..... that *was* meant to be a *rhetorical* question, right? *-() if not, well, i would present that threads of strong musical influence may be more elaborate than you'd previously considered. it seems reasonable, to me, that: any musician that *you've* heard & been influenced by, who, themselves were influenced by (& educated-by-proxy-by) someone(s) (like ornette or coltrane) is necessarily passing on whatall they gleaned from *their* influence to *you* (albeit, through their own set of aesthetic/technical filters). music is, after all, a veritable weave through culture/time/community..... so, musical *influence* might pass, thusly: ornette>lee ranaldo>you, or ornette>page hamilton>you, or miles davis>lee perry>squarepusher>you, or eric dolphy>the boredoms>you. maybe these aren't the greatest examples, but..... therein lies the basis for my interruptive opining. best, dt / SPLaTTeRCeLL