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"out"
one 
thought . . . what makes anything "out"? i mean people thought that charlie 
parker and dizzy gillespie were out, they just thought they were trying to play 
the "pretty notes"; same thing with schoenberg, he just felt that he was 
trying to build on the harmony of the tradition that he grew out of - - 
wagner/mahler and brahms . . . these are the kind of views that i would 
subscribe to for myself.
 
stig