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I struggled with making the Jamman do what I wanted for a few years . . .then I sold it on Ebay and bought an echoplex. Now it's much easier to create structures the way I want. Of course, when I saw Steve Lawson at the Bass Exchange, he didn't have any problems creating his music magic with just a Jamman and a DL-4--granted, he's not playing pop songs, but he does play what I would consider to be "songs" (well, OK, at least most of the time), in that there are melodies and chord changes--still, I think he works within the limitations of the unit, rather than trying to make it do what it can't. The Jammer gave me headaches trying to create "My Cherie Amour" or whatever, so I was incredibly grateful to find that the Echoplex was so flexible in terms of multiplying, inserting, etc. Still, looping seems to have a built in limitation in that you can only create and repeat. And with sonically augmented performances being so ubiquitous, I gotta think that having an A section up yer sleeve on the Repeater Smart Media card is gonna be tough to resist. Unless maybe the EDP upgrade is going to include storage capabilities? I can dream, can't I . . . Hey, we're talking gear again! Gary