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In a message dated 24/02/01 17:31:18 GMT Daylight Time, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com writes: > Of course, getting the timing down for both loops is the > problem. yes, virtually impossible without a drum machine, except for small loops. How about using the SAMPLE function, recording 2 (or more) sections (AB) together and varying the triggerig so it repeats when you want, but only goes on the B section when you want At least the A & B could be different lengths. > machines and "normal" song structures, alienated a great deal of my > potential audience...we've discussed that in another thread. I >discovered > limitations. Doing "song" type compositions is very demanding. Loop lengths > (esp. on my JamMan and DL4) are limited. At first I felt this to be > limiting, but I find those same "limitations" inspiring and welcomed. Having so using the jamlimits I could compose a ABCAAAAABAAAABAAABC type structure to be realised by recording with the sampler function and tapping accordingly. yes i have ordered that Echoplex (UK) andy butler (waiting..waiting...waiting) <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm">Lexicon Vortex Database </A> and hi Cliff , thanks for the plug