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>>>It was definatly Micheal Masley.Being an East Bay person I have seen and heard him for years.He invented the hammers which (I believe) have very small grooves cut into them.<<< ...and the band that features him with Michael Manring is called 'Cloud Chamber' and is brilliant. Their CD is weird music heaven! :o) there's a great review of it at http://www.collective.co.uk/misfitcity/ - which is the home of the Misfit City e-zine, edited by Dann Chinn, and is a great read (especially the wonderful review of a gig of mine from the end of last year) talking of reviews and cool sites, http://www.bassically.net and http://www.aural-innovations.com have both just added reviews of my album. Bassically is a bass site, with a heavy emphasis on solo bass stuff, and aural innovations is a space-rock/ambient/electronica site, with some really interesting stuff there. and finally, following on from the recent discussion about fretless guitar, I've just got back from 'la nuit de la fretlesse' - a fretless festival in Mende, France, which this year featured me, ned evett, fretless machine, yan vagh and ron thall (though as far as I saw, neither Ron nor any of his band played anything fretless through-out their whole set, which was a little confusing...) Ned was playing his Fernandes glass fingerboard creation, which sounded brilliant, Yan was playing a 10 string fretless guitar (the lowest 5 from a normal guitar, doubled like an Oud), which also sounded fantastic (and he used a headrush on a couple of tunes), and Franck Vigroux with Fretless machine played a Vigier (co-sponsors of the event) fretless with a metal fingerboard, and has a fantastic sound. You might think that a fretless festival would turn into a temple to duff intonation, but fortunately all the attendant musos were great - that's the second bizarre niche festival I've played this year, after the solo bass looping show in Santa Cruz, and both have been such great events. It's heartening to find non commercially-scheming musicians putting on such great events and doing it so well! Time to start thinking about a London looping/bass/weird shit fest for the end of the year methinks... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk