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What we have here is...failure to communicate. The reasons I have not posted anything on the Eventide group are as follows: a) there is nothing I could tell anyone there about an Eventide. b) any questions that I had were answered by reading the archives. In fact, I found answers to questions I had not even considered asking yet. As far as the Eclipse goes, I know that you have seen one demo-ed & were impressed. I know that(according to you) it has 40 seconds of delay time. I know that it has 5 times the power of the H3000 series. I know that Eventide is trying to include user favorites from other Eventide boxes as part of its presets. I know that it is not shipping yet. I also know that it is the only product from Eventide that falls within my budget. I fear I may have offended you by writing.... "Unfortunately, lurking there means reading Italo's posts on what he's doing to Orville!" Italo, in truth, I meant that as a compliment, not a slam. What I should have elaborated on was that reading your posts about your Orville patches are not only entertaining, but informative & inspiring. My use of the word "unfortunate" simply meant that you blew my plan & presented me with a problem. The problem being.. ........I want what I can not have. Orville. So, Italo, it is your fault that I'm even considering Kyma. I hold you personally responsible for my feelings of unrequited lust, gear envy, & potential loss of revenue. Not to mention being unfairly "italocized". I may consult a lawyer. :) :) :) John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/