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>> the Line6 pedal is the "DL4". Not LD4 or LM4 or BM4 or whatever other variations you guys are experimenting with... << How about, XP4, just joking <s>. At 2:14 PM -0700 6/3/01, Bruce Satinover wrote: > >This is correct, but it is very easy to overdub as you >are working, example; I make a loop, I press the left >footswitch and the RC-20 plays back my previous music. >I can tap the pedal as the loop is playing and overdub >as I see fit. >> fwiw, I think you missed Tim's point there. He wants to have the choice to be immediately overdubbing after he ends record. This technique is commonly used in textural loops, where you want some sustained sound to continue from the end of the loop into the beginning of the loop to make a seamless feel. Also if you were doing some sort of counterpoint thing, you might want to immediately overdub the second line as the loop starts repeating. So you continue to play as you end record enter overdub, and your playing is continuouly added to the loop. I think most loopers do this in some way, and certainly any cheap delay pedal does. It sounds like the RC-20 can't do this after the first loop record without introducing a gap in the overdub as you tap the button a second time to get into overdub. That may be a major problem or no problem at all, depending on what kind of looping you want to do. << Kim, I did understand the initial question and was trying to give an alternative to the limitiations of the RC-20. As for the Echoplex, it is more complex although far more developed than most other loopers that get discussed. I have read the digest and understand there are plenty of units available which is kind of a drag as the Echoplex was the unit I initially wanted. I tried several catalog dealers, Guitar Center, Mars online, and several Chicago area dealers. None had stock and almost none knew where to order. I was getting quotes of 6 weeks for delivery and paying for the unit up front without trying it. I've heard what it can do and wanted one. Imagine how ironic it is that many units are sitting a few miles from me but stores do not know the device even exists! >Again, you need to move up in price to get the >features you are discussing. >> hmm, not really. I'm sure they could have done it on the rc-20 if they thought about it. It's just a question of how the user interface is programmed to work. >> Agreed. In my initial thoughts I was critical of the RC-20 because of design issues. The statement is valid, there aren't many loopers that do what was requested and none I know of that aren't considerably more money than the RC-20. >The Echoplex line has >some nice features but are difficult to find and not >always the most realtime friendly. >> I think echoplexes are pretty easy to find these days, since Gibson is producing a lot more of them now than they used to. The echoplex is pretty much entirely designed to be real-time friendly, so I'm not sure how you got that impression. In this case, it is probably a good example of what Tim is after. << I'm sure once you work with it the echoplex does the job well and with a reasonable learning curve. I'm really annoyed now that I spent money on the RC-20, and it's not that I don't like the unit, I do. But I would have purchased a echoplex had one been available anywhere I checked. And again, the 6 week quote I got simply wouldn't work for my schedule. This whole situations is somewhat frustrating. >> The echoplex always allows you to transition from one function immediately to another with one button press. You never have press a button to end one function then press another button to start the next, so it keeps the foot-tapping to a minimum. So if you are recording a loop, you simply end by pressing whatever function you want to go into. The echoplex stops the record for you, starts the loop repeating, and the new function you want is on, all with one button press. For example, if you end the record by pressing overdub, the loop starts repeating with overdub on. End record with reverse, and it is immediately reversing, etc. Similar with other functions, like going from mulitply right into insert or replace or whatever. To me, that is real-time friendly, because whatever you want to do you just hit it and you're there, with only one button tap. The machine takes care of all the steps in between for you. No argument. It's a powerful machine. If Tim can get one and it's within his budget it would b ethe way to go. But Tim didn't mention his budget, just he desire to use a looper, in this case the RC-20. So, I agree with you, the echoplex is a great machine, I don't have first hand experience, only viewing and listening to guitarists that have it. My response was based on having the RC-20 and what, if anything could be done. If it sounded like I was slighting any other looper I assure you I wasn't. One thing I have come to appreciate is how much can be done with creativity and whatever equipment you have available to you. Sure you have more options whne you have top quality equipment (whatever someone on the list might think) but in the end it is what we do with the equipment we have. I *thought* I was being helpful. That was my only intention. I don't have an agenda or anything like that. I like loopers, inexpensive or high priced and I like listening to what people do with whatever it is they use for equipment. Some of the most creative music I made was on terrible recording equpment and sound reinforcement. I think when you have to work hard to get a decent sound you become creative by need. In any case I hope this clears things up. Also, if anyone knows where I can buy a echoplex I'd appreciate knowing where. Maybe I will have time to get one before we lock in our gigging equipment. Bruce kim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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