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Aha, Thanks Andy... All becomes clear... I think... So there I was desperately turning down the feedback controls when I should have been turning down the mod amount!!! Thanks. On another issue: I have been thinking of making a big fat multicore cable to connect my rack of er... stuff to all the misc pedals on the floor (a good 20 minutes it take to plug in at soundcheck, by which time... there isnt any!!!) Has anyone done this and found a good connector. It need to take 6 audio/2midi/and various (8) stereo cable pedals (like the vortex ones). I'm thinking of a big old metal box on the rack and a big old metal box on the floorboard... could I use a mixing desk multicore cable.... Just wanted other peoples solutions... (When is stuff gonna be wireless???) MArk Francombe Red SoundFNR@aol. com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 25/07/2001 Subject: Re: Vortex Bleen and also Cliffs problem 22:30 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht firstly Hi Cliff, to see the numbers when pedalling you have to set the Parameter knob to the function being controlled, in this case morph. Bet you sussed it just after releasing that post! now down to the serious business BLEEN B (just like Maze B) To start with this is the only Vortex patch with more than 100% feedback available. If you put both Feedback 1 and Feedback 2 both up high enough you get a louDER echo each time. (although individually you can't get 100%) this is because the Fbk 1 echoes are in the feedback loop of fbk2 The odd runaway feedback happens because this preset is prone to feedback even when the feedback controls are turned down because the feedback is modulated. So if there's enough modulation you can get max feedback for part of the cycle. Now depending on the tap time the feedback sometimes has the chance to run amok. It happens when the modulation rate is such that one modulation cycle fits an exact number of times into the echo time(or near enough). If this is a problem you could try a different tap time. andy butler <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm">Lexicon Vortex Database </A>