Well, OK, one thing I like to do with the DL-4 is to record a short loop with the shorter delay in loop mode before actually engaging the longer loop function. then, once I've got that going, I'll turn the delay time knob all the way to one end, than the other, and then settle at the longest setting, which gives a really wild somewhat random rhythmically undulating noise which works incredibly wonderfullly for a beat to play and loop over. The original tones are all but gone and they're replaced with their artifact-ridden ghosts. It can be pretty amazing!... I'll then engage the loop function to record what's playing, and then once that's done, eliminate the first delay, and continue adding layers or textures over the basic rhythm. Smiles, G-Girl --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..."