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something else to consider w/ambient loops is that it is often extremely important to keep playing as you close the loop. i.e., if yer playing a four chord pattern, you need to return to the 1st as you close the loop. maybe you've already been doing this, i don't mean to underestimate you. it's a little thing, but it was a major step for me when i first figured that out. take care, phil ===== "Compassion is the sometimes fatal capacity for feeling what it's like to live inside somebody else's skin. It is the knowledge that there can never really be any peace and joy for me until there is peace and joy finally for you too." -Frederick Buechner "The jewel is in the lotus." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com