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I am really enjoying this thread on the power of limitations (in gear). And it is ironic that I am going through on of these "gear-downsizing" periods right now. Sometime ago I read an interview with Eno where he was discussing he rather simple and out-of-date set up. He said that the tools he uses he knows very well, and while they may be limited, he would rather work within a limited but known universe than the infinite. In other words, he would rather have a couple of boxes he knew very well, and have just a handful of tricks or tones than a gazillion options.... I found this true with my set up also. The more processors I threw into the mix, the more I used...or should I say tried to use! This would bring upon a terrible state of option anxiety ("hmmm that's cool, but what if I changed this, and added that, and then tweaked this other thing?") After going through a bunch of rack and floor processors and pedals, now I am back to a fairly easy to manage setup: Godin A4 bass, Raven Labs Mixer/DI, Raven Labs Inst. Pre, Lexicon Alex, Lexicon JamMan,and sometimes tossing in a DL4 just for fun. The Raven stuff is used mostly for it's transparent sound quality, and the two aux loops. The Alex is way out of date: single effects, 16 bit, NON-MIDI...but it has a quality which is unique and musical. And the JamDude...well, we all know about this! It is a simple, albeit limited setup, which challenges my creativity in ingenuity (and it sounds better than a lot of stuff all hoked up!). I find I am creating effects "manually"..that is with my hands: mutes, false harmonics, playing drums on the bass,(...alright I am still sticking aligator clips all over the bass and using an Ebow, but...) and combining these manual techniques with sometimes subtle,sometimes extreme electronic treatments (yes, have been able to write some fairly extreme patches with the limitations of the Alex). For loops the JamBoy works superbly, in a simple way. No I can't do crossfades, or undo functions like the EDP, or any of the cool stuff on the 'peater, but I have found I can make seamless atmospheric loops (no clicks) by just relying on my snse of time, my abilities, and this rather simple setup. And I am able to do some really incredible "song form" loops without MIDI or a drum machine (just the faux drums played on the bass). And it is alot easier to cart around (1 4space rack!). Since I unburdened myself from all the other processors and pedals my signal is cleaner, tone is better, and I am enjoying looping and music making even more. It's all about creativity...not gear! But having said that I do envison an EDP sometime soon..... Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp