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Kim, I think in some situations some things can be said anywhere. I guess thats why you did not react first. We are some kind of a family, I feel, and wherever international groups meet, there is a chance to balance out the world as such. But you are right, there is no space for history discussions or personal conflicts here. Anyway, emotioned, I feel free to post what I wrote on a CD cover last year: Peace is not achieved by suppressing violence. It takes comprehension and the ability to share right. Its a state of mind of someone that acts the best he can and feels respected for this. Its not brilliant but it glooms in the dark. Like my music, its somehow related to childhood. And this is my impression and prayer: I deeply feel sorry for all the people that do suffer now and in the future and hope all this suffering has a meaning and contributes to the healing of the Being World. What can be done? Not many doubt that the US is the strongest nation, also after this attack. It takes a lot of responsibility to be the strongest and even if he makes all efforts to be just and support the weaker, there is always a tendency to be challenged and blamed for all. The US need to deal with this. But wherever I listen and read, I only find critics for the US-centric and unwise politics of Mr. Bush that tends in a US-against-rest direction. I hope he does not really represent his peoples will and can be redirected. This may be the most efficient move against terrorism. Many people out here hope that the catastrophe shakes the US up to rethink the situation in the world and the necessary measures to safe it and leader them in accordance with the "weak's" efforts. This may be a way to justify that the US commands and spends such a big part of the natural ressources. (I placed the World at Night picture on that CD) The first reactions of US did not really fuel this hope. I find the impulse of anger fully understandable, but WAIT and THINK and FEEL before you throw bombs, otherwise we are ALL FRIED - my God ! And this is my situation:-) There are a lot of interesting things to discuss on the list. I would like to participate. Many mails are too long. I have a hard time to dig out the essence in so many mails, but to post correctly, I need the whole picture. Due to some personal movements, I could not ketch up for two weeks and stock my posts here to finish them up soon. Sorry for this. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org