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"Joe Dallarda" <jdallar@hotmail.com> parrotted: > I hate to say, but this act is pretty much political karma. Sorry, Joe. Vague statements like that which cast doubt without giving substance work a lot less in the 21st century than you might think. > America is the bully of the worlds playground, and the Americans on this > list (and I am one of them) should be aware of this. Again, another vague judgemental statement without basis, assuming upon itself the mantle of devine truth, without any trace of data to support it. And implying that, if we don't agree with it, we are idiots. > (By the way, I hope I dont end up sounding pedantic, or insulting to > anyone's intelligence, if I do, sorry). I don't think that's enough of an apology. If you'd stop trying to sling your planet-sized intellect around this virtual room, perhaps you'd realize that you have to back up old, overused political rhetoric with facts. > Please dont make the mistake of thinking that I'm saying I condone what > happened- I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons why a lot of people in > the developing world are taking a lot of satisfaction in our pain- based on > their experience of what the American government is like, and how it has > affected them, they see it, and quite reasonably so, as the little guy > giving the big bad bully of the global school yard one hell of an > unbelievable sucker punch. I'm sure that there are people who are twisted enough by their hate of the United States, its freedoms, and its ways of life, to think that the above is valid. How does this then justify their inhuman behavior? It doesn't. > The Palestinians arent celebrating what happened > yesterday because they are "crazy," "radical," "fundamentalist," or innately > "bad" or violent somehow. We have given them, by our actions, a lot of > reason to do so. A basis for this would be helpful. Otherwise it's just backtracking justification for your statements. > Who is a terrorist, and who is a nationalist/freedom-fighter? The only > difference between the two, the only thing deciding what word you use is > who's side yer on. Sorry, bub. There's a definition of terrorism out there that you apparently don't understand, perhaps because you've relied upon incomplete sources of information and propaganda. I would suggest looking to the dictionary for a start. > We need to find out more about why things like this > happen- not simply exhibit knee-jerk reactions and bark jingoistic nonsense. What then are your statements? Manna from above? > Meanwhile the innocent suffer for the sins of the few in power. More judgemental statements without data to back it up. Ennh! > This is totally inapropriate for a list about looping, but having spent a > lot of time in the West Bank and also having lived in Egypt, certain >posts > have just made it too hard for me to stay in lurk mode. That explains a lot. > I really dont want to start a politcal type flame war though, so if any one > really feels the need to attack me please do it off-list, preferably not for > a sustained period of time. I'm not sorry to say that the kind of pap you've spewed here is best addressed in a public forum. Simply saying the above doesn't mean that people don't have the right to rebut what you've said, nor does it mean that you're right. Let us then choose a date for our discussions of anything but PEACEFUL SOLUTIONS to our pain and frustration to begin, that hopefully utilize the reason we're ALL supposed to be on Looper's Delight, hopefully solutions involving (gasp! can you believe it?) looping and music. I would propose the end of tomorrow, which worldwide has been designated as a day of mourning. After midnight Friday I would propose that we exercise good manners, and confine ourselves to the subject matter of this list, and come up with positive, musical ways of dealing with the way we feel. I've already put forth my own idea, and unfortunately have only gotten a few responses. Let's try to raise peoples' spirits in the midst of sadness, and perhaps make some money for the victims. If it is desired I'll make my proposal again. But in the meantime I'll wait. Stephen Goodman http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery_Front.html - Cartoons & Illustrations http://www.earthlight.net/Studios * The free Loop of the Week! http://www.live365.com/stations/218194 * EarthLight Online / Live!