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Matthias wrote: I am wondering how many of us make a living out of looping. DT does, Mich Gerber, Stefan Keller,,, but I dont know about all others... So my question to all: Do you create music that could not be played (or presented at a suficient low cost) without loop technology and make a considerable part of the income out of it? Do you know such musicians that are not on the list? -- I saw Bill Frisell perform solo last year and his set was quite loop oriented, with almost every tune involving 'freesing-a-long-delay' type looping. On his solo record it's less obvious, I guess? In band performances he uses his delay quite a bit, but the loops are more the icing on the cake than the core of the music. In a remotely similar fashion I am using my loopers in band projects for a good 15% (I either bring my Digitech PDS 8000 or the EDP), but in my solo programm I am relying heavily on them, although I still play about 25% strictly solo guitar. Sometimes the gigs where the looper's break down and you have to make up for them are the very best...challenging. (I do this for a living, very lucky). BTW, for years I have been using the tc 2290 for this, was endorsing and demoing the unit for them and always asked for updates in the realm of loopage - in vain. Even in the manual for the tc G-force multi effect the say something like "there is no reason anybody (in his right mind) could want more than 1400ms delay time". At the same time the G-force does offer reverb times of 20 or more seconds, which of course is a feature that is so much less usable than, say 3 seconds of delay (probably it's cheaper to do). So let's face it, we are just a bunch of esoteric freaks, guys! Somehow I can't blame them, these guys have to take care of their business and what the buying public seems to what. I kept telling them that every working pro at least in the guitar/bass field can get a good use out of any kind of a looping tool, be it alone for practising, teaching, studio fly-in's and , aha - maybe he/she can use it in his music as well after all. But: next week I'll be a very professional looper and will perform workshop concerts at a quite know trade show & concerts event here in Germany. I got invited for my reputation as a 'progressive' jazz guitarist and my use of effects, loopers etc. So is there hope? andreas