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Two separate lists? I should hope not- Loopers loop audio- whether or not they save it for later or create it all on the fly they all have that single element in common. I think the majority of techniques and methods used in "looping" are employed by both styles. I must admit I love both- I use Acid and loops of all sorts on my computer and also get off pretty hard on my EDP, jammie, and PDS pedal- in more live settings. I really like Kim's perspective on the volatile RAM issue- at first I thought it would be great- but I know for a fact I loop differently on my JamMan just for the fact that there is no Undo- it makes a big difference- (along with many other between EDP and Jam Man) and I agree the spontaneous evoloution of a loop is a special thing- I personally DO feel the desire to record my creations however- usually at their "climax" - and a simple portable MD recorder fits this bill fine. In any event- I welcome both "side's" opinions and perspectives and hope that this line of distinction remains blurred and nurtured under the larger umbrella of looping audio as a whole. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <dmgraph@earthlink.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: two minds > It has become clear, following this list over years, that loopers seem to be > of two minds. The Acid guys and the EDP guys are really two completely > separate camps. Those of us on "Kim's side" can't understand the desire to > save a loop; a never-changing loop just isn't the living thing that an > evolving loop is. I equate the static loop with MIDI music, which is a > spitting out of notes and sounds on command. Not to discredit that > approach, but I feel that it's a very different animal. Not looking to > start a holy war here, but there is a very strict division between these > mindsets, and I think we should recognize this. Could it actually call for > two separate lists? > > David Lee Myers > > on 9/30/01 4:31 PM, Kim Flint at kflint@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > With a performance oriented looper like the Echoplex, the whole feature set > > is based around the idea of being able to build, manipulate, and evolve > > loops freely while performing. If all you do with it in performance is make > > static, unchanging loops, you are almost missing the point. > >