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RE: Ambient guitar ... was Cadence Magazine .....Phew. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Even picked his amp setup with ever seeing him :-) If Nels Cline is a bass player, he's on a couple of the tracks on the CD I've got. Makes the track a *bit* better but still not worthy. And thanks peoples for some of the ambient guitar recommendations, I'll check em out. Ritchie ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ http://ninja.at/play ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ Well I've got one CD of Loren Mazzacane Connors (In Twilight) and it didn't really do much for me personally. . . . improvised but not in an amazing way. No looping was involved and I even thought his guitar sound was mediocre. Sounds like a combo with the distortion on with the reverb cranked up playing random notes. -------------------------------------------------------- ** this pretty much sums up my take on a live gig i saw of him in duo with nels cline. i didn't really care one way or the other about the lack of looping, but having a fender amp's 'verb up to 10 and playing without any discernable direction taxed my attention. as you say, some people seem to be quite taken with him, but i didn't hear anything to make me feel that way. stig