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At 6:29 PM -0600 3/28/02, Eric Williamson wrote: >i don't know though ... it's pretty expensive. I suppose you get what you pay for - if you can pay for it. I know what you mean. I've been putting up with the Mackie 1604 just because the amount of performing I was doing didn't justify the outlay. Now that may be changing. My home studio has a set of Speck SSM mixers - even more expensive than the ones we've been talking about, but with their own sets of limitations. Eight auxiliary sends, but only two channel stereo out. I also have a Speck Assign 28 (28 x 8) that can be used to turn the SSM into an 8-bus, but it becomes a bit awkward for a live performance situation. On the subject of the Crest X-Rack Series: The XR-20 is one of three. The XR-24 is nearly identical, but instead of 12 mono + 4 stereo inputs it has 8 mono inputs + 8 stereo inputs. The XRM is a monitor mix configuration with rotary pots rather than faders on the inputs. 12 mono + 4 stereo inputs. 12 mono mixes or 6 stereo mixes. It has the same number of buses as the other two models, but rather than being divided between aux send and group/master out functions they are all equivalent. It would make a killer effects routing system if you could keep track of everything. As Eric points out, these are a bit pricey: XR-20 $2200 XR-24 $2400 XRM $2600 -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com http://www.cybmotion.com/aliaszone http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=rz