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found a used vortex for $115 with tax. yay! no footpedal though, so i've been trying to work around that. i've been messing with the delays mostly, feeling goofy at having to keep looking at an acrobat file of the manual. my setup is as follows mackie cfx-12 with aux sends 1 and 2 feeding vortex inputs old varispeed, track flipping institutional tape player feeding channel 4, fader at unity gain aux sends 1 and 2 at about 3/4 unity gain (above starts to clip on the vortex) vortex returning on stereo channel 9/10, fader at unity gain, slight gain on aux sends for playable feedback i'm not a guitarist i'm a noise guy using circuit bent stuff and tapes and whatnot, so rather than an expression pedal to feed the loop i've just been using the fader to sorta play the aux send. basically i've been bringing it up, catching a loop, bringing it down, then bringing it up again when i want a new loop to take over. it's imperfect but i'm getting the hang of it. i wonder if i'd be doing a lot better to use a pedal though. a few questions: i've been looping with deja vu, messing with the feedback settings. i'm liking it, it's seamless enough for me, and i like having a smaller loop area to work with since it forces me to try harder to get something cool going for that second or whatever. the problem is my loops are not as loud as the original sound. is that normal? i've only had a little time to experiment, but the loops seem to automatically drop in level a little just after i pull the fader down on the channel that's feeding the vortex. i'm used to stuff that keeps the same volume, is this because of the envelope functions? everything i read about the vortex suggests it's got a learning curve and has to be tamed. i'm cool with that i'm just trying to get the hang of it so i can use it for a couple of (very soon) loop heavy shows. any insight and tricks appreciated, thanks! Jon