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Again thanks- I'm pretty sure I will get the Vortex and then later add a more substantial looper- probably the Repeater. Part of the problem right now for me is also the issue of the Repeater/Echoplex learning curve. This all takes time to get into and master I don't have any right now! I'm unfamiliar with MIDI and just recently went electronic after many years of acoustic instruments only. I am so impressed with what people are doing with these machines! It is truly a new kind of music making and I believe in many ways Historical -very representative of our modern society as the piano was to Beethoven. You are all very kind to help such a novice. Thank you again Alli _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com