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RE: Is it "Live" or "Memorex"
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really muscians"
thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and never
understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
mike
In a message dated 7/10/2002
11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com
writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you gotta be
kiddin here when u say that right?
they ( DJ's) may not be traditional
musicians as that they are perhaps as you say "playing with music" &
especially doing just that in the more operative sense in the context that you
mention here - such as BPM matching, etc.
But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play
with Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with
music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.
Alll the afortementioned DJ's
made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is
a muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there is
a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type
of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician
can do the same
But The experience of music is not just focused or
dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon
the process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as it is
perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the audience and the
quality of that connection.. and also there within where it goes or how it is
dispersed.
that seems to be the way you can observe what is happening
without "you" getting in the way of the music's story IMHO.
Its also
sorta kinda like the difference between the person who goes to the Buddha King
All u can eat - Chinese Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish
and say contrast that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin
- ( 12 star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and
highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts
and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in
between ).
But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the food
at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could make to
that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you
over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially
so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give
you a stomach ache:)
But you cant say it isnt "food" they are eating @
Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the experince a customer
has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they didnt cook the food themselves or
perhaps that it came from cans and all that was done for the foods preparation
was that it was put on a plate for them or made by someone else in a
microwave....and who's to say they arent using microwave foods @ Lebec
Fin?
I think folks are expressing outrage at people whom they see as
going to a Buffet who are in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and
conferring upon themselves the status of chef...who cares & why
not?
But from my mind food is food - be it cooked or
uncooked.
"cooking" is just passing food along to another state as that
combinations and and re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as
nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only converted.
and the musical chain
of events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you or
how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a musician.
aint
no new notes as miles once said and its all been done before even before you
begin it - but you can have an original perspective to bring to bear toward all
of that which has already been.
I also think how we perceive music most
times says more about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most
times.
I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record
in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters
regarding this subject have already said concerning canned music-
sucking.
in recent days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I
made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i
think i was way wrong and off the mark and regret having made those
statements
but hopefully we dont start asking - what is music?
That "age old question" is more or less the most obvious -
"idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its
self-affirming - defining- dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever
claim to like, hate, love, want or even reject at that matter.
& I
could care less ( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too
could care less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and
tweaking knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or
need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid
"musical" experience.
My own personal experiences are valid without
needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of
expectations and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have
been given or learned to apply against all music(s)..
It seems like with
all those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling
and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way, says
that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and looking
for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or message/story
the music may or may not have to reveal to you.
This dialog makes me
think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant
Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is
quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN band COCK ESP (
http://mp3.com/cockesp
)... the quote goes
somethin like this ( as i am paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks & COCK
ESP doesnt suck - cuz they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or
preoccupied with music".
Only now am I seein' what the wisdom &
beauty is in that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play
music" despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who
demand their performances and listening experience be "musical".
They (
COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the
music asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for
IMHO.
and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look for in
any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening
in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.
But this "is it live or memorex" talk
also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I
just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate
and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote control
flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random play where all
the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women sipping the working
man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the audience watch themselves and
me and...vice versa on video screens. all over the venue.
i think
the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk all may have done something quite
similar to that effect...I'm rambling again ...
guess i need to go &
do it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :).
"Remember To Always Kill Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
