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Hey, Lately, I've been thinking about the different approaches of looping I experienced at the Santa Cruz Loopfest. The two major camps I broke it down to were those who used a looper very simply (such as myself), as in a straight loop with some percentage of feedback with external effects and those who played with few or no effects, but used the looping device as an effect in itself (as in Andre Lafosse). So I just wanted to get a dialog going about the differences in these two approaches. One of my first proto "loop effects" was me duct taping an old Ibanez analog delay pedal to my guitar and twiddling with the time and feedback knobs while I played. I later graduated to an old Digitech RDS8000 pedal, which I put fat rubber washers on the knobs, so I could manipulate the knobs with my feet while I played. Later, I seemed to partially abandon this technique, when I acquired a bunch of digital effects that did pitch shifting and a whole other slew of sonic mayhem. As my effects pallet became larger, my looping technique became more simple. With the addition of a decent guitar synth driving a synth module that's got over a thousand sounds, I find there's rarely a time when I feel my sonic pallet is limited. On the contrary, I feel it's often too much! One of the things I do in my looping, is I set up large banks of effects and synth sounds, and then kind of randomly choose them, not really knowing what sound I'm going to get. I then have to DEAL with it. Fun. But then I saw Andre's little act, and I thought, "Gee that's COOL." I wonder why I didn't go more in that direction? It inspired me to try a Repeater experiment I've been thinking about for a while. Start recording a loop while in Beat Detect mode. Take off the Tempo Lock. End the loop, and then try to manipulate the tempo by how you play. Wacky! Mark Sottilaro