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None really taken, I just get a bit cranky (before morning caffeine especially) when everything is taken so seriously. Would it really be a horrible thing to be known as "David Torn: The Man Who Thought The EH16 Was UNIQUE"? Was the EH16 not a unique box? Many devices probably share some of it's functions, but at what price? Did they have as nice an interface? (and that is subjective) Funky foot controller? The PCM42 was for sure a more "hi-fi" box aimed at studio applications, where as the EH16 seemed to be aimed at guitarists (Fripp in a box) as a stomp box. All of these differences to all other devices make it... unique? Am I wrong here? Now, of course there are a bunch of looping devices out there, some that behaved in similar fashion to the EH16. Frankly, my Repeater with a Lexicon MPX1 in it's effects loop will run rings around the EH16. IN MY OPINION. But that's not what I was saying. I was saying that the EH16 was not exactly like anything else. But when you say that you don't think it's unique, you are telling me that you know of something that's exactly like it. Well, that's nice. Welcome to my United States of Whatever. Basically, when I answered the two people that came on and said, "I'm new to the list, does anyone know about the EH16?" I just wanted to try and be helpful to point out devices that do exist that can easily be obtained, not to suggest that one my ever totally replace a dead product like the EH16. If someone came on and said, "I'm new to looping and I want to buy a Repeater, but can't find one..." I'd say, "Well, it's dead, but you might want to check out the EDP." Not that the EDP is the same as the Repeater, but that it will probably be of interest to someone that's looking to get into looping. Anyway, I'm just trying to be a bit of a loop evangelist, and maybe help point out gear possibilities to people who are looking for gear that is no longer made. It seems that when I do this, someone has to come down on me for suggesting that something could possibly take the place of their beloved <insert fave gear here>. Well, something WILL take the place of dead gear. It's inevitable. Evolution doesn't mean things get better. It just means things change. Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > m, > > >OK, what I should have said, was that some of us decided that the EH16 > >was a > >unique box, but David Torn and Weg don't think this at all. > i wasn't being snide; i just didn't agree w/the 'we' of it. > i wanted to be clear, is all. > sorry if you took offense! > best, > dt / splattercell