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Of course you are totally right Rick! Since we can do great music without any loop tool, we certainly can with one that has no FB control! Besides, I was not quite so much referring to the estetics of the result but the experience of creating the music. Often music comes with music. You call a spirtit with a tune and it tells you how another tune goes. When you introduce a new soloist on stage, the other musicians step back a little... I could have said: The most important feature to a LOOP tool after a tap tempo recording function and some way to overdubb is a controllable FeedBack. But this would have been just an opinion, too, as Andre explains he uses other functions to evolve... Another point of view: We spend about 1/4 of the processor power with the multiplication and filter that provides smooth Feedback control... so my mother would say: Since you spent $150 on that feature, you gotta use it! LOL! But in my heart, yes, I think we really need to learn to live with conscious fading. Its a mission, yes. It has to do with cleaning out, not becoming attached, possesive... Sure I want to be tolerant with the ones that dont agree, but I hate revolutions and to avoid them, we have to be able to let older things fade in peace to make space for all the new things to happen. If we cut the old, the new has no base and is more likely to come out wrong. You could compare the DL4 to the Bible :-) : Fill it until its thick and then let it run without change until you trash it all together (possibly with a war...) As stig sais, you can do it with output volume fading, too. But then it leads to the use of several loopers or tracks... a much bigger technical and operational effort for some more flexibility - a little less organic, maybe...? A good point actually: The FB makes that all old stuff fade at the same rate, which is not the ideal, if we think of history in general. Some currents (movements, ideas, chapters...) have to fade quicker than others... so this may be easier to simbolize with a looper for each current... we will get to that technology without covering the whole stage with DL4s ;-) And he also questioned: ***if people are making good/great music with the tools at hand, why must they be taught something different? I guess that those who are perfectly happy with their great music are not on that list. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org