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on 8/23/02 10:11 PM, David at vze2ncsr@verizon.net wrote: > But, take away yer MIDI controller, and your back to RECORD, OVERDUB, > MULTIPLY, INSERT, MUTE, UNDO and NEXTLOOP pretty damn quick... (Or am I > missing something really embarrassingly obvious about the EDP.... :-) ) Well, many of the parameters are editable while looping so you actually can get to a lot more. It just isn't particularly direct. So, let's rephrase this to: What can't you do with just the footswitch? * Change the interface mode * Change quantization * Change rounding * Change the number of loops * Change the meaning of the insert button * Change the other configuration parameters * Change 8ths per cycle * Switch presets On the other hand, many of those parameter changes are things that you are less likely to want to change while playing and they aren't all that hard to change if you can push some buttons on the front panel. Furthermore, with presets, they become quite easy to change if you don't mind having everything change at once. Yes, there are limits to what you can get to. There are also significant benefits to having things fit in a reasonably sized space. Here's my personal catalog of the major looping operations -- provided you aren't Andre: * Record * Overdub with high feedback -- e.g., building up a single part in passes * Overdub with reduced feedback -- e.g., gradually replacing a part * Substitute -- i.e., overdub with feedback = 0% * Multiply * Hold/Play * Fade -- i.e. Input = 0%, feedback < 100% * Mute Multiple loops add in a few more tweaks as does undo. In any event, all of those are accessible from the EDP with the standard footpedal and a feedback pedal or directly from the front panel. The DL4 actually demonstrates that you can get a good chunk of this functionality with even fewer buttons. It's too bad they don't let you use the expression pedal to control loop feedback. I've been thinking about the function sets from the standpoint of trying to imagine what a good multitrack looper should support. You need a way to specify which track you are editing (i.e., record, overdub, multiply or any of the other fun things if you like from the EDP). You need buttons to control that editing process. You also need a way to set the non-editing loops to Hold, Fade, or Mute. Being able to bounce would also be cool, but at some point we run out of space for knobs and buttons. Mark