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At 11:14 AM -0400 8/24/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >it is missing some crucial elements as regards lineal descent to the >present..... I'm aware of that and invite all of you to make suggestions and contributions to a revision and expansion of the articles. I was under deadline and didn't do as good a job as I'd like in some areas. The historical part is stronger up through the '60s, particularly with respect to who did what, when. The period after that is almost entirely a technical survey. It is probably incomplete even at that, but in particular I didn't delve into the "who, when" aspects of the 1970-to-present development. That's where I could use some help, because frankly I wasn't paying much attention to what other people were doing during that period and serious historical documentation hasn't been easy to find. I encourage an open discussion of this topic here on the list. For one thing it will help me in my historical researches and help to insure that critical lines of development don't get ignored in anything I publish on the audioMIDI.com site or elsewhere in future. For another thing it will be an opportunity for people here to reveal their own looping heritage. For instance, I was personally introduced to the idea of double-tracking by Peggy Lee's demonstration on the Walt Disney show in 1955 (the Siamese cats in "Lady and the Tramp"), and to tape speed change as an effect at around the same time (Chip an Dale). I encountered reverse playback in the early '60s (WBZ DJ Dick Summer) and musical uses of tape loops in 1966 (the Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" and Steve Reich's "Come Out"). I learned of dual-deck tape delay with regeneration through Pauline Oliveros's "I of IV" in 1967. I started doing tape multitrack recording in 1966 and tape manipulation in 1969. My first performances with tape delays were in 1976 and my first work with tape loops was in 1977. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com