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I'm really not kidding. all the ART pedals suck. you can't use them with the echoplex. sell it. or better yet, throw it away so nobody else gets stuck with it. kim At 05:15 PM 8/24/2002, JIMFOWLER@prodigy.net wrote: >i'm beginning to think that it sends program changes >ONLY, which is a really big drag. > >-jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com