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<<ell duh. Santana is great, but he's old news. Everybody who was going to be influenced by Santana already got influenced 25 years ago. The "nu metal jerk" probably reaches far more people today than Santana has in years.>> Yeah, I guess those of us who were 4 years old (namely, me!) 25 years ago don't count, eh? I never heard of Santana before we got cable back in 82. I first heard of Santana when I saw the video for Hold On on MTV. What was funny was during the vocal sections of the song, there was this silly conceptual plotline involving Carlos trying to find this beautiful woman in a sort of Rio Carnaval type setting. The only time you actually saw the band playing was during his guitar solos. Thusly, imagine my surprise when I saw a live clip on MTV of Santana doing some other songs, and finding out that Carlos wasn't the singer in his own band!!!!!! Anywho, what I heard there, though perhaps insubstantial in some people's minds, was enough to catch this 11 year old's attention. Subsequently, I saw the Woodstock movie, saw other video clips by Santana (including an old clip from the German TV show Beat Club, showing the Santana III era band-with a young, Afro-d, pre-Journey Neal Schon playing a gold top Les Paul-playing Black Magic Woman) and eventually I bought a couple of his albums. Once I dug a little deeper and got some of his older records (specifically, Lotus and Moonflower, as well as the Viva Santana compilation), I was struck by his sense of melody, phrasing, and that tone!!! And I still can't believe that one note during the Viva Santana version of Europa, he holds it for like A FULL MINUTE!!!!!! Maybe Carlos Santana (or Jerry Garcia, or Frank Zappa or any of a number of other musicians) don't have the same kind of mass influence they had 25-30 years ago, but don't tell me they didn't influence anyone during the last 20 years!!! I can tell you're flat out wrong, even if I'm the only guitarist under the age of 30 to be influenced by these guys, you're still wrong! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com